According to the old man Ma, Zhu Shaowen (also known as "Zhu Shaowen") was recognized as the "founder of the mountain" in the phonograph circle, nicknamed "poor and not afraid". But to be exact, before Zhu Shaowen, some people had made a living in the form of cross talk, such as Zhu's teacher. Zhu is not a student, but Zhang is called a "teacher". It turned out to be the predecessor of Guan Jia in Beijing. Not only did he juggle and play ventriloquism, but he also added "mouth irrigation" (a cross talk term, such as "the name of a dish") to his performance. Zhang Sanlu is the leader of the East and West artists in Beijing. Under his care, many artists were able to gain a foothold in the street art circle in Beijing. Crosstalk first appeared in the form of peddling, so Zhang Sanlu's position in the history of cross talk is undeniable. Zhu Shaowen mainly sings Taiping lyrics, and then tells a joke. Some of them were learned from Zhang Sanlu. He played a small face, from singing Taiping lyrics, telling jokes or short stories to stand-up comedy. According to the storyline of storytelling and drama, he made up jokes, handed down four skills of speaking, learning, teasing and singing, and brought six disciples. Finally, the business of "cross talk" was formed.